That would be good info, John, as would temp data, if anyone has Manitou and/or summit temps over time. It was an odd feeling race. I had trained better than any previous year, and then had a bad race.(Just past NoName, bp dropped and then my heart raced, causing me to stop, and then proceed slowly for a while until all systems recovered, and then as I regained speed and could finally get past people beyond the A-Frame, rt calf cramped. Sometimes stuff just happens.) But I still only finished 5 minutes off my predict and in the highest overall position I've finished in. But there seemed to be a much slower pace for the pack beyond Barr and a LOT of ailing runners, more than one usually sees from the higher seeds. It was an odd race.